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From: s.broersen@uva.nl
Subject: calview RGS
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:42:01 GMT
From: s.broersen@uva.nl
To: xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int
Cc: s.broersen@uva.nl
Subject: calview RGS
Full_Name: Sjors Broersen
Submission from: (NULL) (145.18.214.170)


Hello,

I am trying to correct RGS data of an extended source for vignetting. However,
the calview program can only show (order -1, 600eV, phi = 0) the effective area
as a function of postive theta's. Due to the nature of the instrument I would
expect the offaxis effective area to be asymmetric around theta = 0. 

Is there a way in which I can make the effective area visible for negative
theta's?

Thanks in advance,

Sjors


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From: Nora Loiseau <xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int>
To: s.broersen@uva.nl
Subject: Re: calview RGS (PR#49762)
Date: Fri Mar 16 11:39:08 2012
Dear Sjors,

The SAS developer in charge of calview informed us that the vignetting that
CALVIEW shows for RGS is a combination of the telescope vignetting (fn of 
theta), the RGS obscuration factor (function of phi) and the RGS
self-vignetting factor (function of Beta).

CALVIEW can show what he think you want by putting,

e.g. order=-1, E=600 eV, Theta=100"

and then View->Vignetting vs Phi

This gives a plot that I am sending to you in a separate message.

Please inform us if you need more details.

Best regards,

Nora
 
> 
> I am trying to correct RGS data of an extended source for vignetting.
However,
> the calview program can only show (order -1, 600eV, phi = 0) the effective
area
> as a function of postive theta's. Due to the nature of the instrument I
would
> expect the offaxis effective area to be asymmetric around theta = 0. 
> 
> Is there a way in which I can make the effective area visible for negative
> theta's?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Sjors
> 
> ----
Dr. Nora Loiseau
XMM-Newton User Support Group


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From: Nora Loiseau <xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int>
To: S.Broersen@uva.nl
Subject: Re: calview RGS (PR#49762)
Date: Fri Mar 16 16:19:52 2012
Dear Sjors,

the theta that we were talking about was the off centre angle.
I do not find now documentation about the effect of the incident 
angle, I will ask the experts and come back to you as soon 
as I have their inputs.

Best regards,

Nora

> 
> Thanks for your quick answer. What I am looking for however is the change
in
> effective area as a function of incident angle theta. And this change can
be
> positive and negative. I don't understand the plot that you suggested gives
me
> this information.
> 
> Can you explain a bit more?
> 
> Best regards, Sjors
> 
> On Mar 16, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Nora Loiseau wrote:
> 
>> Dear Sjors,
>> 
>> The SAS developer in charge of calview informed us that the vignetting
that
>> CALVIEW shows for RGS is a combination of the telescope vignetting (fn
of 
>> theta), the RGS obscuration factor (function of phi) and the RGS
>> self-vignetting factor (function of Beta).
>> 
>> CALVIEW can show what he think you want by putting,
>> 
>> e.g. order=-1, E=600 eV, Theta=100"
>> 
>> and then View->Vignetting vs Phi
>> 
>> This gives a plot that I am sending to you in a separate message.
>> 
>> Please inform us if you need more details.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Nora
>> 
>>> 
>>> I am trying to correct RGS data of an extended source for
vignetting.
>> However,
>>> the calview program can only show (order -1, 600eV, phi = 0) the
effective
>> area
>>> as a function of postive theta's. Due to the nature of the
instrument I
would
>>> expect the offaxis effective area to be asymmetric around theta =
0. 
>>> 
>>> Is there a way in which I can make the effective area visible for
negative
>>> theta's?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> 
>>> Sjors
>>> 
>>> ----
>> Dr. Nora Loiseau
>> XMM-Newton User Support Group
>> 
>> This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the
addressee
or
> addressees only. The unauthorised disclosure, use, dissemination or
copying
> (either in whole or in part) of its content is not permitted. If you
received
> this message in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your
system.
> Emails can be altered and their integrity cannot be guaranteed by the
sender.
>> 
>> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>> 
> 
> 
> ----
Dr. Nora Loiseau
XMM-Newton User Support Group


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From: Nora Loiseau <xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int>
To: S.Broersen@uva.nl
Subject: Re: calview RGS (PR#49762)
Date: Tue Mar 20 15:05:54 2012
Dear Sjors,

I am consulting the RGS calibration scientist about your questions. He
understands that you want to analyse RGS data of an extended source 
correcting for vignetting and other effects. He said that the 
problem is not simple, it would help him to give a proper advice
if you can provide him the Observation ID of the data that you are
analysing and the final aim of your analysis.

Best regards,

Nora

> 
> I think part of the information I need is in the file
RGS?_QUANTUMEF_000*.CCF.
> It gives the reflection efficiency as  a function of incident angle alpha
for
> different lambda. However, I still don't see information regarding
negative
> alphas in that file.
> 
> I have an additional question: 
> 
> When plotting the effective area as a function of theta, there is no more
> effective area beyond theta = 1200''. Is that because there really is no
more
> effective area (due to self-vignetting / obscuration)?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Sjors
> 
> On Mar 16, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Nora Loiseau wrote:
> 
>> Dear Sjors,
>> 
>> the theta that we were talking about was the off centre angle.
>> I do not find now documentation about the effect of the incident 
>> angle, I will ask the experts and come back to you as soon 
>> as I have their inputs.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Nora
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your quick answer. What I am looking for however is the
change
in
>>> effective area as a function of incident angle theta. And this
change can
be
>>> positive and negative. I don't understand the plot that you
suggested gives
>> me
>>> this information.
>>> 
>>> Can you explain a bit more?
>>> 
>>> Best regards, Sjors
>>> 
>>> On Mar 16, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Nora Loiseau wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Dear Sjors,
>>>> 
>>>> The SAS developer in charge of calview informed us that the
vignetting
that
>>>> CALVIEW shows for RGS is a combination of the telescope
vignetting (fn of 
>>>> theta), the RGS obscuration factor (function of phi) and the
RGS
>>>> self-vignetting factor (function of Beta).
>>>> 
>>>> CALVIEW can show what he think you want by putting,
>>>> 
>>>> e.g. order=-1, E=600 eV, Theta=100"
>>>> 
>>>> and then View->Vignetting vs Phi
>>>> 
>>>> This gives a plot that I am sending to you in a separate
message.
>>>> 
>>>> Please inform us if you need more details.
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Nora
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am trying to correct RGS data of an extended source for
vignetting.
>>>> However,
>>>>> the calview program can only show (order -1, 600eV, phi =
0) the
effective
>>>> area
>>>>> as a function of postive theta's. Due to the nature of the
instrument I
>> would
>>>>> expect the offaxis effective area to be asymmetric around
theta = 0. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is there a way in which I can make the effective area
visible for
negative
>>>>> theta's?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sjors
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----
>>>> Dr. Nora Loiseau
>>>> XMM-Newton User Support Group
>>>> 
>>>> This message and any attachments are intended for the use of
the addressee
>> or
>>> addressees only. The unauthorised disclosure, use, dissemination or
copying
>>> (either in whole or in part) of its content is not permitted. If
you
received
>>> this message in error, please notify the sender and delete it from
your
>> system.
>>> Emails can be altered and their integrity cannot be guaranteed by
the
sender.
>>>> 
>>>> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----
>> Dr. Nora Loiseau
>> XMM-Newton User Support Group
>> 
>> This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the
addressee
or
> addressees only. The unauthorised disclosure, use, dissemination or
copying
> (either in whole or in part) of its content is not permitted. If you
received
> this message in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your
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From: Nora Loiseau <xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int>
To: S.Broersen@uva.nl
Subject: Re: calview RGS (PR#49762)
Date: Tue Mar 20 15:49:36 2012
Dear Sjors,


> I know that it is not an easy problem, but we have a solution now that
works.
It
> is not perfect, however. I only wanted to check if there is nothing better
> available in the RGS calibration files than what I have found so far. 
> 
> Perhaps you can put me in contact with the RGS expert directly? 
> 
The RGS expert is very interested in knowing your solution, and
in discussing possible issues with you. He prefers to do it through
this helpdesk system where we keep track of these issues, which could
be helpful for future SAS developments.
In this case in particular these messages are private, therefore 
hidden for the rest of the users.

Best regards,

Nora

> On Mar 20, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Nora Loiseau wrote:
> 
>> Dear Sjors,
>> 
>> I am consulting the RGS calibration scientist about your questions. He
>> understands that you want to analyse RGS data of an extended source 
>> correcting for vignetting and other effects. He said that the 
>> problem is not simple, it would help him to give a proper advice
>> if you can provide him the Observation ID of the data that you are
>> analysing and the final aim of your analysis.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Nora
>> 
>>> 
>>> I think part of the information I need is in the file
>> RGS?_QUANTUMEF_000*.CCF.
>>> It gives the reflection efficiency as  a function of incident angle
alpha
for
>>> different lambda. However, I still don't see information regarding
negative
>>> alphas in that file.
>>> 
>>> I have an additional question: 
>>> 
>>> When plotting the effective area as a function of theta, there is
no more
>>> effective area beyond theta = 1200''. Is that because there really
is no
more
>>> effective area (due to self-vignetting / obscuration)?
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Sjors
>>> 
>>> On Mar 16, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Nora Loiseau wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Dear Sjors,
>>>> 
>>>> the theta that we were talking about was the off centre angle.
>>>> I do not find now documentation about the effect of the
incident 
>>>> angle, I will ask the experts and come back to you as soon 
>>>> as I have their inputs.
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Nora
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for your quick answer. What I am looking for however
is the change
>> in
>>>>> effective area as a function of incident angle theta. And
this change can
>> be
>>>>> positive and negative. I don't understand the plot that you
suggested
gives
>>>> me
>>>>> this information.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can you explain a bit more?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards, Sjors
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 16, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Nora Loiseau wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear Sjors,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The SAS developer in charge of calview informed us that
the vignetting
>> that
>>>>>> CALVIEW shows for RGS is a combination of the telescope
vignetting (fn of

>>>>>> theta), the RGS obscuration factor (function of phi)
and the RGS
>>>>>> self-vignetting factor (function of Beta).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> CALVIEW can show what he think you want by putting,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> e.g. order=-1, E=600 eV, Theta=100"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> and then View->Vignetting vs Phi
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This gives a plot that I am sending to you in a
separate message.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Please inform us if you need more details.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nora
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am trying to correct RGS data of an extended
source for vignetting.
>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>> the calview program can only show (order -1, 600eV,
phi = 0) the
>> effective
>>>>>> area
>>>>>>> as a function of postive theta's. Due to the nature
of the instrument I
>>>> would
>>>>>>> expect the offaxis effective area to be asymmetric
around theta = 0. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is there a way in which I can make the effective
ar

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From: Nora Loiseau <xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int>
To: S.Broersen@uva.nl
Subject: Re:  calview RGS (PR#49762)
Date: Fri Mar 23 15:58:31 2012
Dear Sjors,

> The solution is the same as was used in Vink et al. 2003 (Slow temperature
> equilibration behind the shock front of SN 1006) and is to convolve the
response
> matrix with the emission profile of the source. 
We agree with this.

> This is also similar to XSPEC
> module rgsrmfsmooth, which doesn't take vignetting into account. 
> I have a description of the offaxis response, obtained by plotting it in 
> calview and making an ascii dump of it. However, the offaxis response for 
> negative theta should be different from positive theta, due to the layout 
> of the instrument.

In calview theta is defined as the off-axis distance (in arcsec) of a certain
point to the center of the field of view, and phi is the angle measured
counter-clockwise from the dispersion axis.

To know the effect of vignetting along the cross-dispersion axis, you can put
phi=90 (i.e. to be in the  positive cross-dispersion axis), and then you can get
the plot of vignetting (or effective area) versus distance for theta
from 0 to about 1200" (the instrument size is 300" this is why it is cut).

To get the plot for the other (negative) half cross dispersion axis you can put
phi=270, and you will notice that vignetting is symmetric.

For more details please see:
http://xmm2.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_sw_cal/calib/documentation/CALHB/node7.html

Best regards,

Nora

----
Dr. Nora Loiseau
XMM-Newton User Support Group


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From: Nora Loiseau <xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int>
To: S.Broersen@uva.nl
Subject: Re: calview RGS (PR#49762)
Date: Tue Mar 27 10:29:23 2012
Dear Sjors

The task 'calview' is intended to visualise some of the most relevant
instrumental details, not to access the calibration data themselves. Then,
though extremely useful, this task lacks some flexibility to select all possible
parameters and/or options.

Therefore in some cases, it might be necessary to access the CCF directly to
examine the calibration data in detail.

For the normal processing of the data, this is not needed, as SAS takes into
account all necessary corrections.

The grating efficiency as a function of incidence angle, as you mentioned in a
previous mail, is stored in extension #11 of the CCF RGSX_QUANTUMEF_00XX.CCF
(extension RGA_EFF) (see a brief description of the contents and structure of
the different CCFs in the Calibration Handbook:
http://xmm2.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_sw_cal/calib/documentation/CALHB/node653.html
)

There, the grating efficiency is given for 60 wavelengths (from 5 to 60 A), and
27 incidence angles,from 0.28 to 2.98 degrees.

This incidence angle is defined as

alpha = alpha0 + disp

being alpha0 the nominal on-axis incidence angle (1.576191 deg), and 'disp' the
angular distance in the dispersion direction (i.e. disp can be positive or
negative).

The header of this extension contains also information about the RGA
self-vignetting, through the keyword BETA_VIG, see
http://xmm2.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_sw_cal/calib/documentation/CALHB/node433.html.

Best regards,

Nora
----
Dr. Nora Loiseau
XMM-Newton User Support Group


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From: Nora Loiseau <xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int>
To: S.Broersen@uva.nl
Subject: Re: calview RGS (PR#49762)
Date: Tue Mar 27 11:50:04 2012
Dear Sjors,

yes, thanks, I am making it public.

Cheers,

Nora


> Thanks Nora, this is exactly what I needed to know!
> 
> If you think this email conversation might be useful for other RGS users,
feel
> free to make it public. 
> 
> Cheers,
> Sjors
> 
> On Mar 27, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Nora Loiseau wrote:
> 
>> Dear Sjors
>> 
>> The task 'calview' is intended to visualise some of the most relevant
>> instrumental details, not to access the calibration data themselves.
Then,
>> though extremely useful, this task lacks some flexibility to select
all
> possible
>> parameters and/or options.
>> 
>> Therefore in some cases, it might be necessary to access the CCF
directly to
>> examine the calibration data in detail.
>> 
>> For the normal processing of the data, this is not needed, as SAS takes
into
>> account all necessary corrections.
>> 
>> The grating efficiency as a function of incidence angle, as you
mentioned in
a
>> previous mail, is stored in extension #11 of the CCF
RGSX_QUANTUMEF_00XX.CCF
>> (extension RGA_EFF) (see a brief description of the contents and
structure
of
>> the different CCFs in the Calibration Handbook:
>> http://xmm2.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_sw_cal/calib/documentation/CALHB/node653.html
>> )
>> 
>> There, the grating efficiency is given for 60 wavelengths (from 5 to 60
A),
> and
>> 27 incidence angles,from 0.28 to 2.98 degrees.
>> 
>> This incidence angle is defined as
>> 
>> alpha = alpha0 + disp
>> 
>> being alpha0 the nominal on-axis incidence angle (1.576191 deg), and
'disp'
> the
>> angular distance in the dispersion direction (i.e. disp can be positive
or
>> negative).
>> 
>> The header of this extension contains also information about the RGA
>> self-vignetting, through the keyword BETA_VIG, see
>> http://xmm2.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_sw_cal/calib/documentation/CALHB/node433.html.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Nora
>> ----
>> Dr. Nora Loiseau
>> XMM-Newton User Support Group
>> 
>> This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the
addressee
or
> addressees only. The unauthorised disclosure, use, dissemination or
copying
> (either in whole or in part) of its content is not permitted. If you
received
> this message in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your
system.
> Emails can be altered and their integrity cannot be guaranteed by the
sender.
>> 
>> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>> 
> 
> 
> ----
Dr. Nora Loiseau
XMM-Newton User Support Group


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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:41:44 +0100
From: Nora Loiseau <nora.loiseau@sciops.esa.int>
To: s.broersen@uva.nl
Cc: helpdesk <xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int>
Subject: Re:  calview RGS (PR#49762)
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Dear Sjors, 

please find attached a plot produced by CALVIEW when putting,

e.g. order=-1, E=600 eV, Theta=100"

and then View->Vignetting vs Phi

Best regards,

Nora



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From: "Broersen, Sjors" <S.Broersen@uva.nl>
To: Nora Loiseau <xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int>
Subject: Re:  calview RGS (PR#49762)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:14:07 +0000
Dear Nora,

Thanks for your quick answer. What I am looking for however is the change in
effective area as a function of incident angle theta. And this change can be
positive and negative. I don't understand the plot that you suggested gives me
this information.

Can you explain a bit more?

Best regards, Sjors

On Mar 16, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Nora Loiseau wrote:

> Dear Sjors,
> 
> The SAS developer in charge of calview informed us that the vignetting that
> CALVIEW shows for RGS is a combination of the telescope vignetting (fn of 
> theta), the RGS obscuration factor (function of phi) and the RGS
> self-vignetting factor (function of Beta).
> 
> CALVIEW can show what he think you want by putting,
> 
> e.g. order=-1, E=600 eV, Theta=100"
> 
> and then View->Vignetting vs Phi
> 
> This gives a plot that I am sending to you in a separate message.
> 
> Please inform us if you need more details.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Nora
> 
>> 
>> I am trying to correct RGS data of an extended source for vignetting.
> However,
>> the calview program can only show (order -1, 600eV, phi = 0) the
effective
> area
>> as a function of postive theta's. Due to the nature of the instrument I
would
>> expect the offaxis effective area to be asymmetric around theta = 0. 
>> 
>> Is there a way in which I can make the effective area visible for
negative
>> theta's?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Sjors
>> 
>> ----
> Dr. Nora Loiseau
> XMM-Newton User Support Group
> 
> This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the addressee
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From: "Broersen, Sjors" <S.Broersen@uva.nl>
To: Nora Loiseau <xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int>
Subject: Re:  calview RGS (PR#49762)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 10:54:58 +0000
Dear Nora,

I think part of the information I need is in the file RGS?_QUANTUMEF_000*.CCF.
It gives the reflection efficiency as  a function of incident angle alpha for
different lambda. However, I still don't see information regarding negative
alphas in that file.

I have an additional question: 

When plotting the effective area as a function of theta, there is no more
effective area beyond theta = 1200''. Is that because there really is no more
effective area (due to self-vignetting / obscuration)?

Best regards,

Sjors

On Mar 16, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Nora Loiseau wrote:

> Dear Sjors,
> 
> the theta that we were talking about was the off centre angle.
> I do not find now documentation about the effect of the incident 
> angle, I will ask the experts and come back to you as soon 
> as I have their inputs.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Nora
> 
>> 
>> Thanks for your quick answer. What I am looking for however is the
change in
>> effective area as a function of incident angle theta. And this change
can be
>> positive and negative. I don't understand the plot that you suggested
gives
> me
>> this information.
>> 
>> Can you explain a bit more?
>> 
>> Best regards, Sjors
>> 
>> On Mar 16, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Nora Loiseau wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Sjors,
>>> 
>>> The SAS developer in charge of calview informed us that the
vignetting that
>>> CALVIEW shows for RGS is a combination of the telescope vignetting
(fn of 
>>> theta), the RGS obscuration factor (function of phi) and the RGS
>>> self-vignetting factor (function of Beta).
>>> 
>>> CALVIEW can show what he think you want by putting,
>>> 
>>> e.g. order=-1, E=600 eV, Theta=100"
>>> 
>>> and then View->Vignetting vs Phi
>>> 
>>> This gives a plot that I am sending to you in a separate message.
>>> 
>>> Please inform us if you need more details.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Nora
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I am trying to correct RGS data of an extended source for
vignetting.
>>> However,
>>>> the calview program can only show (order -1, 600eV, phi = 0)
the effective
>>> area
>>>> as a function of postive theta's. Due to the nature of the
instrument I
> would
>>>> expect the offaxis effective area to be asymmetric around theta
= 0. 
>>>> 
>>>> Is there a way in which I can make the effective area visible
for negative
>>>> theta's?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> 
>>>> Sjors
>>>> 
>>>> ----
>>> Dr. Nora Loiseau
>>> XMM-Newton User Support Group
>>> 
>>> This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the
addressee
> or
>> addressees only. The unauthorised disclosure, use, dissemination or
copying
>> (either in whole or in part) of its content is not permitted. If you
received
>> this message in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your
> system.
>> Emails can be altered and their integrity cannot be guaranteed by the
sender.
>>> 
>>> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----
> Dr. Nora Loiseau
> XMM-Newton User Support Group
> 
> This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the addressee
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From: "Broersen, Sjors" <S.Broersen@uva.nl>
To: Nora Loiseau <xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int>
Subject: Re:  calview RGS (PR#49762)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 15:29:18 +0000
Dear Nora,

I know that it is not an easy problem, but we have a solution now that works. It
is not perfect, however. I only wanted to check if there is nothing better
available in the RGS calibration files than what I have found so far. 

Perhaps you can put me in contact with the RGS expert directly? 

Best regards, 

Sjors

On Mar 20, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Nora Loiseau wrote:

> Dear Sjors,
> 
> I am consulting the RGS calibration scientist about your questions. He
> understands that you want to analyse RGS data of an extended source 
> correcting for vignetting and other effects. He said that the 
> problem is not simple, it would help him to give a proper advice
> if you can provide him the Observation ID of the data that you are
> analysing and the final aim of your analysis.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Nora
> 
>> 
>> I think part of the information I need is in the file
> RGS?_QUANTUMEF_000*.CCF.
>> It gives the reflection efficiency as  a function of incident angle
alpha for
>> different lambda. However, I still don't see information regarding
negative
>> alphas in that file.
>> 
>> I have an additional question: 
>> 
>> When plotting the effective area as a function of theta, there is no
more
>> effective area beyond theta = 1200''. Is that because there really is
no more
>> effective area (due to self-vignetting / obscuration)?
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Sjors
>> 
>> On Mar 16, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Nora Loiseau wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Sjors,
>>> 
>>> the theta that we were talking about was the off centre angle.
>>> I do not find now documentation about the effect of the incident 
>>> angle, I will ask the experts and come back to you as soon 
>>> as I have their inputs.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Nora
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for your quick answer. What I am looking for however is
the change
> in
>>>> effective area as a function of incident angle theta. And this
change can
> be
>>>> positive and negative. I don't understand the plot that you
suggested gives
>>> me
>>>> this information.
>>>> 
>>>> Can you explain a bit more?
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards, Sjors
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 16, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Nora Loiseau wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Sjors,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The SAS developer in charge of calview informed us that the
vignetting
> that
>>>>> CALVIEW shows for RGS is a combination of the telescope
vignetting (fn of 
>>>>> theta), the RGS obscuration factor (function of phi) and
the RGS
>>>>> self-vignetting factor (function of Beta).
>>>>> 
>>>>> CALVIEW can show what he think you want by putting,
>>>>> 
>>>>> e.g. order=-1, E=600 eV, Theta=100"
>>>>> 
>>>>> and then View->Vignetting vs Phi
>>>>> 
>>>>> This gives a plot that I am sending to you in a separate
message.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please inform us if you need more details.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nora
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am trying to correct RGS data of an extended source
for vignetting.
>>>>> However,
>>>>>> the calview program can only show (order -1, 600eV, phi
= 0) the
> effective
>>>>> area
>>>>>> as a function of postive theta's. Due to the nature of
the instrument I
>>> would
>>>>>> expect the offaxis effective area to be asymmetric
around theta = 0. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is there a way in which I can make the effective area
visible for
> negative
>>>>>> theta's?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sjors
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----
>>>>> Dr. Nora Loiseau
>>>>> XMM-Newton User Support Group
>>>>> 
>>>>> This message and any attachments are intended for the use
of the addressee
>>> or
>>>> addressees only. The unauthorised disclosure, use,
dissemination or copying
>>>> (either in whole or in part) of its content is not permitted.
If you
> received
>>>> this message in error, please notify the sender and delete it
from your
>>> system.
>>>> Emails can be altered and their integrity cannot be guaranteed
by the

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From: "Broersen, Sjors" <S.Broersen@uva.nl>
To: Nora Loiseau <xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int>
Subject: Re:  calview RGS (PR#49762)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 16:45:32 +0000
Dear Nora,

The solution is the same as was used in Vink et al. 2003 (Slow temperature
equilibration behind the shock front of SN 1006) and is to convolve the response
matrix with the emission profile of the source. This is also similar to XSPEC
module rgsrmfsmooth, which doesn't take vignetting into account. 

I have a description of the offaxis response, obtained by plotting it in calview
and making an ascii dump of it. However, the offaxis response for negative theta
should be different from positive theta, due to the layout of the instrument. My
question is only if I can obtain this data somewhere, or that I have to make a
guess. 

Kind regards,

Sjors

On Mar 20, 2012, at 4:49 PM, Nora Loiseau wrote:

> Dear Sjors,
> 
> 
>> I know that it is not an easy problem, but we have a solution now that
works.
> It
>> is not perfect, however. I only wanted to check if there is nothing
better
>> available in the RGS calibration files than what I have found so far. 
>> 
>> Perhaps you can put me in contact with the RGS expert directly? 
>> 
> The RGS expert is very interested in knowing your solution, and
> in discussing possible issues with you. He prefers to do it through
> this helpdesk system where we keep track of these issues, which could
> be helpful for future SAS developments.
> In this case in particular these messages are private, therefore 
> hidden for the rest of the users.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Nora
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Nora Loiseau wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Sjors,
>>> 
>>> I am consulting the RGS calibration scientist about your questions.
He
>>> understands that you want to analyse RGS data of an extended source

>>> correcting for vignetting and other effects. He said that the 
>>> problem is not simple, it would help him to give a proper advice
>>> if you can provide him the Observation ID of the data that you are
>>> analysing and the final aim of your analysis.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Nora
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I think part of the information I need is in the file
>>> RGS?_QUANTUMEF_000*.CCF.
>>>> It gives the reflection efficiency as  a function of incident
angle alpha
> for
>>>> different lambda. However, I still don't see information
regarding negative
>>>> alphas in that file.
>>>> 
>>>> I have an additional question: 
>>>> 
>>>> When plotting the effective area as a function of theta, there
is no more
>>>> effective area beyond theta = 1200''. Is that because there
really is no
> more
>>>> effective area (due to self-vignetting / obscuration)?
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Sjors
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 16, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Nora Loiseau wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Sjors,
>>>>> 
>>>>> the theta that we were talking about was the off centre
angle.
>>>>> I do not find now documentation about the effect of the
incident 
>>>>> angle, I will ask the experts and come back to you as soon 
>>>>> as I have their inputs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nora
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for your quick answer. What I am looking for
however is the change
>>> in
>>>>>> effective area as a function of incident angle theta.
And this change can
>>> be
>>>>>> positive and negative. I don't understand the plot that
you suggested
> gives
>>>>> me
>>>>>> this information.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Can you explain a bit more?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best regards, Sjors
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 16, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Nora Loiseau wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dear Sjors,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The SAS developer in charge of calview informed us
that the vignetting
>>> that
>>>>>>> CALVIEW shows for RGS is a combination of the
telescope vignetting (fn of
> 
>>>>>>> theta), the RGS obscuration factor (function of
phi) and the RGS
>>>>>>> self-vignetting factor (function of Beta).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> CALVIEW can show what he think you want by putting,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> e.g. order=-1, E=600 eV, Theta=100"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> and then View->

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From: "Broersen, Sjors" <S.Broersen@uva.nl>
To: Nora Loiseau <xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int>
Subject: Re:  calview RGS (PR#49762)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 11:19:26 +0000
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Dear Nora,

Thanks for your reply. I want, however the vignetting in the direction of t=
he dispersion axis, not the cross dispersion axis. In this calibration docu=
ment, http://www.sron.nl/divisions/hea/xmm/internal/documents//rgs-sron-tn-=
cal-98_002.pdf, the top half of figure 8 shows the response as a function o=
f off-axis angle. The linear line are the data. While the mirror vignetting=
 is clearly symmetric, the vignetting is clearly not. This is to be expecte=
d, because the grating is positioned at a certain angle with respect to the=
 incoming photons. A change in the angle of the incoming photon in one dire=
ction will thus have a different effect than a change in the other directio=
n, because the beam size on the grating changes among with the reflection e=
fficiency.

(the instrument size is 300" this is why it is cut).

This I don't really understand. I know that the field of view (FOV) of the =
RGS is about 5' in the cross dispersion direction. However, in the dispersi=
on direction the FOV is much larger.

Could you elaborate on the above two points a bit more?

Thanks,

Sjors


On Mar 23, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Nora Loiseau wrote:

Dear Sjors,

The solution is the same as was used in Vink et al. 2003 (Slow temperature
equilibration behind the shock front of SN 1006) and is to convolve the
response
matrix with the emission profile of the source.
We agree with this.

This is also similar to XSPEC
module rgsrmfsmooth, which doesn't take vignetting into account.
I have a description of the offaxis response, obtained by plotting it in
calview and making an ascii dump of it. However, the offaxis response for
negative theta should be different from positive theta, due to the layout
of the instrument.

In calview theta is defined as the off-axis distance (in arcsec) of a certa=
in
point to the center of the field of view, and phi is the angle measured
counter-clockwise from the dispersion axis.

To know the effect of vignetting along the cross-dispersion axis, you can p=
ut
phi=3D90 (i.e. to be in the  positive cross-dispersion axis), and then you =
can get
the plot of vignetting (or effective area) versus distance for theta
from 0 to about 1200" (the instrument size is 300" this is why it is cut).

To get the plot for the other (negative) half cross dispersion axis you can=
 put
phi=3D270, and you will notice that vignetting is symmetric.

For more details please see:
http://xmm2.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_sw_cal/calib/documentation/CALHB/node=
7.html

Best regards,

Nora

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XMM-Newton User Support Group

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<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for your reply. I want, however the vignetting in the
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 document,&nbsp;<a
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cuments//rgs-sron-tn-">http://www.sron.nl/divisions/hea/xmm/internal/docume=
nts//rgs-sron-tn-</a>cal-98_002.pdf,
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metric, the vignetting is clearly not. This is to be expected, because the =
grating is positioned at a certain
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From: "Broersen, Sjors" <S.Broersen@uva.nl>
To: Nora Loiseau <xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int>
Subject: Re:  calview RGS (PR#49762)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 10:49:54 +0000
Thanks Nora, this is exactly what I needed to know!

If you think this email conversation might be useful for other RGS users, feel
free to make it public. 

Cheers,
Sjors

On Mar 27, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Nora Loiseau wrote:

> Dear Sjors
> 
> The task 'calview' is intended to visualise some of the most relevant
> instrumental details, not to access the calibration data themselves. Then,
> though extremely useful, this task lacks some flexibility to select all
possible
> parameters and/or options.
> 
> Therefore in some cases, it might be necessary to access the CCF directly
to
> examine the calibration data in detail.
> 
> For the normal processing of the data, this is not needed, as SAS takes
into
> account all necessary corrections.
> 
> The grating efficiency as a function of incidence angle, as you mentioned
in a
> previous mail, is stored in extension #11 of the CCF
RGSX_QUANTUMEF_00XX.CCF
> (extension RGA_EFF) (see a brief description of the contents and structure
of
> the different CCFs in the Calibration Handbook:
> http://xmm2.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_sw_cal/calib/documentation/CALHB/node653.html
> )
> 
> There, the grating efficiency is given for 60 wavelengths (from 5 to 60 A),
and
> 27 incidence angles,from 0.28 to 2.98 degrees.
> 
> This incidence angle is defined as
> 
> alpha = alpha0 + disp
> 
> being alpha0 the nominal on-axis incidence angle (1.576191 deg), and 'disp'
the
> angular distance in the dispersion direction (i.e. disp can be positive or
> negative).
> 
> The header of this extension contains also information about the RGA
> self-vignetting, through the keyword BETA_VIG, see
> http://xmm2.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_sw_cal/calib/documentation/CALHB/node433.html.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Nora
> ----
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> XMM-Newton User Support Group
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From: "Broersen, Sjors" <S.Broersen@uva.nl>
To: Nora Loiseau <xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int>
Subject: Re: PRIVATE: calview RGS (PR#49762)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:55:14 +0000
Dear Nora,

One final question: What is the source of the off-axis response data in the
RGSX_QUANTUMEF_00XX.CCF file? Is it in-flight calibration or ground
measurements?

Thanks,

Sjors

On Mar 27, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Nora Loiseau wrote:

> Dear Sjors,
> 
> yes, thanks, I am making it public.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Nora
> 
> 
>> Thanks Nora, this is exactly what I needed to know!
>> 
>> If you think this email conversation might be useful for other RGS
users,
> feel
>> free to make it public. 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Sjors
>> 
>> On Mar 27, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Nora Loiseau wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Sjors
>>> 
>>> The task 'calview' is intended to visualise some of the most
relevant
>>> instrumental details, not to access the calibration data
themselves. Then,
>>> though extremely useful, this task lacks some flexibility to select
all
>> possible
>>> parameters and/or options.
>>> 
>>> Therefore in some cases, it might be necessary to access the CCF
directly to
>>> examine the calibration data in detail.
>>> 
>>> For the normal processing of the data, this is not needed, as SAS
takes into
>>> account all necessary corrections.
>>> 
>>> The grating efficiency as a function of incidence angle, as you
mentioned in
> a
>>> previous mail, is stored in extension #11 of the CCF
RGSX_QUANTUMEF_00XX.CCF
>>> (extension RGA_EFF) (see a brief description of the contents and
structure
> of
>>> the different CCFs in the Calibration Handbook:
>>> http://xmm2.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_sw_cal/calib/documentation/CALHB/node653.html
>>> )
>>> 
>>> There, the grating efficiency is given for 60 wavelengths (from 5
to 60 A),
>> and
>>> 27 incidence angles,from 0.28 to 2.98 degrees.
>>> 
>>> This incidence angle is defined as
>>> 
>>> alpha = alpha0 + disp
>>> 
>>> being alpha0 the nominal on-axis incidence angle (1.576191 deg),
and 'disp'
>> the
>>> angular distance in the dispersion direction (i.e. disp can be
positive or
>>> negative).
>>> 
>>> The header of this extension contains also information about the
RGA
>>> self-vignetting, through the keyword BETA_VIG, see
>>> http://xmm2.esac.esa.int/external/xmm_sw_cal/calib/documentation/CALHB/node433.html.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Nora
>>> ----
>>> Dr. Nora Loiseau
>>> XMM-Newton User Support Group
>>> 
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> XMM-Newton User Support Group
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Reply 8

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From: Rosario Gonzalez Riestra <xmmhelp@sciops.esa.int>
To: S.Broersen@uva.nl
Subject: Re: calview RGS (PR#49762)
Date: Fri Mar 30 14:37:53 2012
Dear Sjors,

I am aswering you on behalf of Nora, that is on mission.

Most of the calibrations included in the QUANTUMEF CCF come from ground
measurements.

Some other corrections (e.g. RGS1 to RGS2 and 2nd to 1st order correction
factors), as detailed in the "RGS Calibration Status document"
[http://xmm2.esac.esa.int/docs/documents/CAL-TN-0030.pdf] were derived from
observations.


Regards

Rosario Gonzalez-Riestra
XMM-SOC User Support Group

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